Tuesday, June 21, 2005

Naive Liberals

In my last post,I had mentioned that I considered most liberals to be naive.
Now,I did not post that because I wanted to be offensive,or because
I am an arch-conservative,because I think most of them are as messed up,in a different way.
I said that,because,no matter what evidence is before them,they always seem to want to go
for the most fluffy,feelgood answer before them.
Like homelessness.Now,I was homeless for quite awhile,and also worked in the homeless
field,even ran a halfway/transitional house for them.Among all the plans to "eliminate homelessness as we know it",like the one by our lovely Mayor,Chickenlooper,none of them will work.Why?Because some homeless choose it,
some are fucking nuts,and some need institutionalized care.Also,if you give people stuff,instead of making them work for it,they won't respect it,and they will ruin it.We had some projects that finally got sold to a developer.When the developer finally got inside them,40% of the units had no toilets,plumbing,or wiring.It was all sold for crack money.Yet,we are going to provide more free crap for the same kind of people.Naive,or stupid?
That is just one example,and I will post more about homelessness again in the future.
But until then,check out www.step13.org


Blogger Don said...


Well, you know what I think about liberalism. I think anyone that dances with it as a political ideology and sticks with it is mentally ill. I mean, would calling them "stupid" be less offensive? Mental illness comes in many shapes and sizes as well as degrees and I do believe that long-time liberals are mentally ill.

I guess some of them are naive or whatever, some of them probably are stupid and certainly some conservatives are incredibly short-sighted to the point of being functionally stupid.

The compulsive side of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) seems to fit a lot of liberals to a T.

"Compulsions as defined by (1) and (2):

(1) repetitive behaviors (e.g., hand washing, ordering, checking) or mental acts (e.g., praying, counting, repeating words silently) that the person feels driven to perform in response to an obsession, or according to rules that must be applied rigidly

(2) the behaviors or mental acts are aimed at preventing or reducing distress or preventing some dreaded event or situation; however, these behaviors or mental acts either are not connected in a realistic way with what they are designed to neutralize or prevent or are clearly excessive."

The reason this matters is because when you consider what they have tried to do with "saving" Social Security when all of them on the Hill know damned well they loot it at every opportunity, when you consider what they have done with regard to gun and even knife control in this country and all manner of things...it seems quite obvious that some of them need a check-up from the neck-up.

In other words, they keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. It's madness. They've been throwing money at public education for years, more and more money and the kids are demonstrably less intelligent now than in years past. They have been smacking the hands of very violent people and then get indignant when the smacked hand doesn't appreciate their kindness and they go out and rape, rob, pillage and murder as soon as they are released, etc.

Homelessness is another issue. I remember Frank Zappa appearing on "The Thicke of The Night" back in the mid - 1980s and he blamed Ronald Reagan for the homeless problem. It was either ignorance or a flaming lie. The ACLU is directly responsible for the homeless boom of the 1980s because the mental health institutions emptied out when the legal eagles fought for their freedom no matter how insane they were. It was not because the institutions were underfunded or shut down, the lawyers and advocates did it.

So, in order to have any sort of meaningful debate on any subject, people must agree to tell the truth to start with and they can't seem to do that because the truth is seldom in their corner.

8:29 AM  
Blogger Terry said...

I agree in a lot of ways with you,but I disagree that the regular run-of-the-mill liberal is insane,or necessarily stupid.
I would label them misguided,as in the people at the top are doing totally different than what they are telling their followers.
Plus,and I have said this a million times,and still believe it,it doesn't matter if it is Left or Right,black or white,or whatever,I don't think that is the battle.The battle is Have vs. Have-not.
All this division just makes it easier for the Haves to do what they want,with no serious opposition.
Division is a tool,as you well know,and right now,it is a very successful tool.

6:41 PM  
Blogger Don said...


Of course division is a tool, and an excellent one at that. If it were not for division, every prison in the country would riot and fall to pieces in the morning.

The upper echelon liberals are socialists. They know what they're doing and they're not stupid or insane. They know that gun control will do nothing to fight crime and they know rehabilitation of extremely violent, predatory human beings does not work.

But it is the next door neighbor that buys into all of the nonsense that's the problem.

If you saw your neighbor getting his ass kicked every weekend by the same person because he just knew that person had some "good" inside of him, would you think the person stupid or insane or simply "misguided?"

You know, you can be "misguided" to the point you're very stupid or very crazy and that's my point. Misguided? Yeah, but they have to be pretty damned stupid to see the same abduction/rape/murder stories time and time again with the same ending: repeat offender out on early release, etc., etc., etc..

You giving them such a pass is actually the same type of naivete that you speak of, don't you think?

1:42 AM  
Blogger Terry said...

It's possible that I am naive.
It is also possible to hold a different opinion.
You know how I think of the leadership of the Liberal side.I think they are socialists and cowards.But,the rank and file liberal,nah.

5:24 AM  
Blogger Terry said...

I also think that the normal lib can be educated,as opposed to the leadership,that knows all too well what they are doing.
But I do think there is an active campaign to divide people,and everyone seems to be falling right into it.

5:36 AM  
Blogger Don said...


It is possible to hold a different opinion. And there are right and wrong opinions and if there are no right and wrong opinions than no one can ever be right or wrong.

You can dance with moral relativism but it's self-delusion, Terry. You know in your gut that there is right and wrong.

You have the luxury of being able to turn a blind eye to people like that but you don't have to make excuses for them. I would not sit down to eat or speak with a person that chose that path because that path means I can't defend my family if they get their way, that path means I have to have government up-the-ass if they have their way. That path means that criminals go unpunished, that taxes are higher which effect the quality of life that my family and I happen to enjoy.

All of these things is why I despise them because it doesn't have to be this way.

The Republican Party is absolute garbage at the moment but they look like a shining jewel when compared to the Democrats.

One last thought, you give the regular person that's a liberal a pass. That's a mistake, you see. Because without all of these knuckleheads, the major players would have no power. So, in a way, they are more cancerous than the upper echelon of the liberals in this country because they give them power.

8:11 AM  

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